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3 Electoral College members may pass on GOP ticket

the Mesh Report Staff September 13, 2012 28

By MIKE BAKER

At least three Republican electors say they may not support their party’s presidential ticket when the Electoral College meets in December to formally elect the new president, escalating tensions within the GOP and adding a fresh layer of intrigue to the final weeks of the White House race.

The electors – all are supporters of former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul – told The Associated Press they are exploring options should Mitt Romney win their states. They expressed frustration at how Republican leaders have worked to suppress Paul’s conservative movement and his legion of loyal supporters.

“They’ve never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I’m disgusted with that. I’d like to show them how disgusted I am,” said Melinda Wadsley, an Iowa mother of three who was selected a Republican elector earlier this year. She said she believes Paul is the better choice and noted that the Electoral College was founded with the idea that electors wouldn’t just mimic the popular vote.

The defection of multiple electors would be unprecedented in the last 116 years of U.S. politics. And it would raise the remote possibility that the country could even end up with a president and vice president from different parties.

If Romney prevailed in an extremely close presidential election, for example, defections could deprive him of the Electoral College majority needed to secure the presidency. That would throw the presidential election into the U.S. House for the first time in nearly two centuries. The Senate would elect the vice president if neither running mate got a majority of the electoral votes. If Republicans retained control of the House, and with the each state delegation getting a single vote, Romney probably would prevail. But if the Senate remained in Democratic hands, Vice President Joe Biden would be the favorite.

Because so-called faithless electors are rare, the position of elector is largely viewed as symbolic. Each party chooses people to serve as electors in the 50 states, and electors from the winning party convene in each state capital in December to officially select the president and vice president.

As Paul supporters fought for more prestigious delegate slots during state-level conventions this year, they also quietly accrued electors – some in Democratic states likely to be won by President Barack Obama, but also in a handful in states that Romney could take.

In Nevada, for example, Paul’s forces seized control of the state convention and won a majority of delegates. They also placed four Paul supporters among the state’s six electors.

The electors said they have had no organized discussion over how to cast their electoral votes and there have been no efforts by the campaigns to get them to vote for either Paul or Romney.

Nevada’s electors are approaching their duties in different ways.

Jesse Law, an elector and Paul supporter, said he may have qualms with Romney but has always intended to cast his electoral vote for the party nominee.

“I just want to beat Obama,” Law said.

But Ken Eastman may not cast his Nevada electoral vote for Romney, if the former Massachusetts governor wins the state. Eastman said he wants to explore options with Republican leaders in Clark County, a group now dominated by Paul supporters.

“I’m undecided at this point,” Eastman said, adding that he’s “pretty disgusted” with the national Republican Party and how it has worked to suppress Paul’s grassroots movement. He said the GOP has not been open to an influx of people with different ideas.

In Texas, elector Billie Zimmerman said she sees Paul as the only candidate able to save the country. She considers Romney and running mate Paul Ryan to be just another couple of Republicans who will disappoint her, and she called the GOP convention a “shocking display of deception and treachery and cheating.”

Zimmerman said she hasn’t decided how she’ll cast her electoral vote.

Along with the three electors looking at alternatives, Nevada GOP elector Ken Searles said he may vote for Paul as a protest, so long as his vote wouldn’t change the outcome of the election. Another elector, Kathleen Miller in Alaska, said she is planning to vote for Romney but left open the possibility of a Paul vote if the outcome of the election was certain and Republican leaders continued what she called “shenanigans.”

About half the states, including Nevada, have state laws requiring electors to follow the popular vote. Nevada’s statute carries no punishment, and it’s unclear how it would be enforced. Election officials said they may turn to the courts to enforce the law if an elector strayed.

Tensions between the Republican Party and Paul supporters have been escalating for much of the year. At the Republican National Convention last month, Paul supporters booed as the party adopted new rules to make it more difficult for similar insurgent campaigns to gain traction in the future.

Paul has not endorsed Romney. And his aides did not respond to requests for comment on the possible defection of GOP electors.

The Romney campaign sidestepped questions about the electors, with political director Rich Beeson saying Republicans “are united to defeat President Obama to get our economy back on track and Americans working again.”

Often chosen during the convention process, electors are designated by each party to cast votes if their presidential candidate wins the state. A presidential candidate needs 270 of the 538 electoral votes to win.

The last time the House determined the presidential outcome was in 1825, when it selected John Quincy Adams after none of the four candidates won a majority of the electoral votes.

There have been a handful of faithless electors in recent years. In 2004, one Minnesota elector voted for John Edwards for president instead of his top-of-the-ticket running mate John Kerry. Many observers assumed that was simply a mistake. The Minnesota vote was done secretly, and no one ever claimed responsibility.

A District of Columbia elector abstained in 2000 to protest the lack of congressional representation for the district.

The last time multiple electors defected was in 1896, when William Jennings Bryan was the presidential candidate of both the Democratic Party and the People’s Party, with both parties choosing different vice presidential picks. Twenty-seven electors in that race chose the People’s Party ticket, even though it didn’t win the popular vote.

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  • tk69

    What is needed is the majority of districts votes for such elections, not the current electoral college system. Such votes should be cast by residential landowners only with in a district, then the majority of these votes carries the district, which in turn determines the electoral vote.

  • Sealdoc

    WHAT IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY IS THE DISEASE THAT INFECTS THESE ELECTORS? THESE SO CALLED PATRIOTIC AMERICANS ARE WILLING COLLABORATORS WITH THE COLLECTIVIST TRAITOR CURRENTLY RESIDING IN THE WHITE HOUSE! The nation is on the brink of destruction, and these morons are going to strengthen the chances of the anti-Christ regaining the presidency. Maybe we should convert to Islam and be done with it. Stupid, stupid, stupid, people—
    We deserve everything that happens to us in the future. LAST CHANCE LOST!!!!
    America died in the sixties. Now the “Paulistas” are shoveling dirt on our coffin.
    We are on the cusp of a philosophical civil war and these morons are supporting the enemy. ANYBODY BUT OBAMA! ANYBODY BUT OBAMA! ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!
    ANYBODY BUT OBAMA! ANYBODY BUT OBAMA! ANYBODY BUT OBAMA! ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!

    • spock56

      they are libs/socialists in Liberaterion clothing,

  • raintyday

    I have got to believe Ron Pauls organization has got to be more leaning to liberalism than republican. Is that why he wasn’t elected? I know he was a little radical on some things but I did think more middle of the stream. Perhaps it’s just his followers. I don’t know but they can sure be a lot of help for Obamas reelection. You would think according to Pauls stummping that they would vote for anyone to get Obama out of office before he does more damage that cannot be corrected. Wonder if Ron Paul goes along with this tactic. Guess he hasn’t supported Romney so maybe so. If so I’m pretty happy at this stage he wasn’t chosen to run!

    • spock56

      the funny thing is Ron Paul help Romney get the nomination! they were working together!

    • Proud American

      You should have seen the knuckle-dragging Paul supporters at the GOP convention in Phoenix – if they are ANY indication of his mentality then it’s a damn good thing he didn’t with the nomination. Silly old man needs to give it up – HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT!

      • raintyday

        Can only hope, pray and vote that we have sanity return to our legislators and our country before we completely lose our USA we loved. A true leader, honesty, someone who loves our freedoms and leads all of our people and leaves us alone with our freedoms. The bickering and dividing of our people and Obama like a kid in a candy store with our wealth is driving me crazy. Tax money is our blood and sweat and not his to blow. After him as our president hopefully we have learned do not give our president power of his own to go around congress! Almost as big an error as electing him as president I think

  • NMC

    So, if Romney was elected and enough of them defected just to send a message, we could end up with Biden instead of Ryan????? Are these electors ignorant or what? Or maybe this is just their 15 minutes in the news.

    • LKLSPEEDY

      i agree how can anyone not vote if they hat obama, must be istupid

  • http://smugmug.com/other/anoceanapart Maheanuu

    Jeezbus Phooquing Kiiiiiiiiiiiiirist on A Rubber Crutch looks like I’ve stumbled into a knuckledragging, Hillbilly Heroin’d group of fools and avid buttplug fans. Dayammmm, I thought that I knew stupid, but you dingue dongue’s have to be at least a million years behind the last branching of the ape family. You want to vote for the dude in the magic underwear, the same guy who’s charlatan filled family and the Repigliklann smart guy that had the economic plan that was sorta like a warmed over turn on a tepid rock just waiting to be the main course at the Repigliklann Hog Wash less than a month ago..

    Keep on Keepin On!!!!! Extinction is the only answer for putrification as you all have become.

    Just this old Chief’s 2 cents

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6G5WUJI5EHMQ6YSST6F3EOHCTM texas58

      Old chief sounds like a dumb dumb.

    • SNAKESRULE

      shut up squid. and don’t go posting pics with the ocean in the background when you’re some USS Neversail YNC.

  • gjcvanc

    It doesn’t matter, Obama will easily win the electoral college without their votes

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronald-W-Mann/531437147 Ronald W. Mann

      Heh, exaggerating again, Prez Zero will be lucky to hold on to California and NY

  • CantonOhio

    I’m not thrilled but I guess I’ll have to stick with Obama. We could do a lot worse, and did when we had to survive 8 yrs of W Bushes reign of error. What the heck has happened to my fathers GOP? I detest the whacko extremism I see in the tea party faction. The alternative to keeping Obama is letting a flip flopping tax dodging Mormon that is for and against everything. Romney hasn’t given me any valid reason to vote for him.

    He’ll take us back to the edge of the cliff, and that POS will smile while he pushes us off and gives his elitist pals and himself another tax cut with money borrowed from communist China. Obama isn’t near to being a perfect leader, but Romney is almost as clueless as Sarah the moron Palin.

    The main reason I am forced to go with Obama is to protest Romney and his pals buying the nomination. Ron Paul was shut out and the GOP brass treated the man dirt. Its payback time and I am using my vote to send a clear message.

    • Proud American

      You are, in the term of the day, “bat shit crazy”

    • dschwarpa

      Read dreams of my other father or watch 2016 and tell me you think Obama is the better choice. Under Obama we are all headed to be equally poor, unless, of course, you belong to one of his favored groups, or are in government. I ran truth detecting software during the debate and Obama was lying over 80% of the time according to the software. Romney ended up around 15%.

    • THERealityTsar

      You are delusional and probably an Obama Propgandist.
      Romney is an extremist??? But Obama, a guy who added six Trillion to our national debt in four years, a guy who allowed Egypt to be taken over by the Muslim brotherhood, a guy who believes that “spreading the wealth” around is a valid function for government under our Constitution, a guy who pretty routinely violates the Constitution, a guy who thinks we should unitlaterally reduce our already reduced missile stockpile, and a guy who supports allowing babies who survie a botched abortion to be left to die without medical help is some kind of moderate?
      Right now it is Obama who is borrowing 70% of the money spent from the Chicoms.
      Sarah Palin is twice as smart and ten time more patriotic than the loser currently in the white house.
      Lastly let us note how mature it is of you, your guy “Insane” Ron Pual lost the primary so you’ll vote for a Domestic Enemy of the Country and the Constitution rather than the repub. candidate….You’ll show them… Who cares about America some bozo in Ohio is supporting oBLAHBLAH….

    • Lisboeta51

      You’re an obamaton disguised in paul’s “clothing” – in other words, a libtard. Go ahead and vote for the looney tunes paul. Some doctors are briliant in their field but they are absolute morons as managers of anything, especially finances. Paul’s script for “take two aspirin and call me in the morning” isn’t going to work here.

    • SNAKESRULE

      do that…parasite…birds of a feather, you and obama share a lack of accomplishment and a sense of entitlement….after the beatdown the poseur will be unemployed…JUST LIKE YOU.

  • spock56

    This goes to show that some of Ron Paul supporters are Liberals NOT Liberaterions. as far as CantonOhio below, why do you libs lie about yourselves cant you just saty what you are?
    What Flipfloping did Romney do in taxes?? What extremism is there in the Tea Party, the belief in Smaller Government and the Constitution.
    Where do you think Obama is getting the money from to Spend?? huh? China Dope.
    Ron Paul had a fair chance, his foriegn policy thoughts need to be fixed, ok!
    To say you are a Ron Paul supporter and then go to the extreme opposite is a lie.
    Oh and Obama brought us over the Cliff buddy! since Obama has been in Office he raised the Debt over 9 trillion dollars!

  • Robert Tommasini

    lol far right republicans blinded by the romney campaign. Everyone knows obama the better choice. Romney is biggest flopper ever. Look at the bain capitol. He change his stance on 47% . When he back his comments on the 47%, Ryan doesn’t know anything about foreign policy. Romney gets the backing of dead people to give him political gain. The guy is evil.

  • Robert Tommasini

    Also they want to start world war 3. which will put the U.S into a bigger debt. Also don’t like people getting jobs. They wanted auto industry to crash. Romney doesn’t give a crap about you. He cares about the money he will leech off all the poor and turn the country into a fascism style kingdom. Where he and his cronies are the rich. You are his peasant that works for 1 cent a day.

  • Robert Tommasini

    best thing for all republicans is get away from rush limbo, and romneys propaganda, start watching real facts. Go on youtube , watch the 47% or hell go watch bain capitol on youtube. Those are the real facts. Mitt Roms is a monster. You will all be doing us a favor by voting for the right guy still. Obama 2012. keep the dummies who want to end this world then help save it out of the white house.

  • redware

    The electors in question won’t even be here to vote.Along with their hero Ron they will still be orbiting Venus.What a bunch of loons!

  • simplulo

    Ron Paul supporters would feel so much more at home in the Libertarian Party…too bad the US has a two-party system, with just one more party than China has.

  • SNAKESRULE

    not an issue….fredo will be put in the closet.

  • NotRepubOrDem

    The media has not even remotely done a thorough job of reporting what the Republican Party did, against its own rules, across the country and finally on day-1 of the Convention, to the Ron Paul delegates. Literally, duly elected delegates were stripped of their positions – at the convention – and replaced by hand-picked delegates chosen by the Republican Party establishment.

    And across the country meetings were hijacked by the local and state Party “establishment” once it became apparent that Paul’s supporters were going to win, in a legitimate democratic process. It does not matter WHO that was done to – the mere fact that the Republican Party (or any other party for that matter) can do it to one candidate, tells you the Party is corrupt. Next time it may be YOUR candidate.

    Then when Paul left the Convention and arrived at the private jet planning to take him home, his group (including his cardiac patient wife and at least one grand daughter, plus the pilots) was stopped and searched by TSA agents!!! That is, until Paul’s wife refused the search. Take the name Ron Paul out of the entire narrative above, substitute “Candidate X,” and see how you would feel about it then?

    Are Ron Paul supporters angry? Do you people have any brains? Of course they’re angry!

    With that said, there’s no guessing where I also stand. BUT – there is no way on this earth that I support any elector that will not do his or her ethical duty and vote for the candidate winning that right in that particular state. Obama simply cannot be allowed to win another four years. And I will detest ANY Ron Paul-supporting delegated that assists Obama in winning another term. My vote is where my mouth is, too. I refused – to the point of loud argument at my front door – a request to put a Romney sign in my yard. I pledged my vote, but will not lend my reputation to Romney. No vote other than for Romney can help keep Obama out for another four years. But my Ron Paul sticker (with the “for President” portion now removed) will remain on my vehicle until it is too faded to be read by anyone at any distance, or until it peels itself off.

    To the squirrely electors: As a long-term former Republican and a fellow Ron Paul supporter, I feel your pain – deeply! But I DETEST what you’re contemplating doing. As much as I’m concerned about what Romney will do in the next 4-8 years, he’ll at least give us a chance at waking up as a nation in the next 4 or 8 years and electing someone good, consistent, and decent. If we re-seat Obama, we very likely will not still have a constitutional republic in four more years. That was specifically stated by no less than Thomas Sowell, by the way.